Hair + Body Positivity + Myers Briggs T vs. F: Selfie, Episode 04

This is our hair episode! We talk all things follicular, from going gray to the best flat iron to whether or not those hair pills really work. Plus, body positivity – we’re positively conflicted about it. We love the movement and yet . . . And Thinking vs. Feeling: what the third Myers Briggs quadrant means for your personality and your own self-care habits.

In this episode, we talked about:

Lisa from This Organic Girl is growing out her gray and we are here for it.

Hairprint is a great nontoxic hair dye.

If you are looking for a good biotin supplement, Natrol has great ratings on Amazon.

Sarah has rounded up all of her favorite organic haircare products on her blog.

We are both fans of Acure Organics Shampoo and Conditioner. So affordable!

Kristen loves Grove Collaborative for clean beauty products.

Pharmaca always has great deals on natural and organic haircare and makeup.

If you are looking for higher-end natural haircare, Sarah loves Rahua and True Botanicals. Josh Rosebrook has great styling products.  

Kristen swears by Chi Silk Infusion for her brittle gray hair.

Wanna learn to do beachy waves? Check out Sarah’s tutorials. Waves with a curling iron or waves with a flat iron.

We are both fans of the more spendy Sedu flat iron for creating waves, but on a budget, check out this Conair number. Sarah also loves Hot Tools for curls.

Want to upgrade your hair dryer? Sarah loves the Sedu 4000i and Kristen is a fan of the Babyliss.

In our next few episodes, we are talking about the Meyer’s Brigg’s personality types. If you’ve never figured out your type, check out this Myers Briggs online test for free. It’s fascinating and informative.

We were touched by this open letter from Serena Williams to her mom about body positivity.


  1. My favorite part of this podcast was the body positivity segment. It’s gone way too far, and in my opinion, it’s obnoxious. Obviously we don’t have to live striving for the governmental standards for what is considered obese and best ourselves up when we don’t meet them. However, there are definite risks to being overweight and not taking care of yourself. Like Kristen, I am not particularly happy with my current size and how crappy my body feels, but I also try to use that for motivation.

    • I highly recommend the book Body of Truth.

      I think that it’s okay to acknowledge that focusing on health is better than focusing on weight and body shape. But to also remember that sometimes health isn’t just about food. Mental health is a huge component as well.

  2. I wanted to quickly add something to the body shaming topic. I think the conversation on body shaming tends to stay on people who may be larger than they like. However, body shaming has always also affected those of us who are skinny. I’m naturally skinny, have chicken legs that I HATE, and have skinny kids. I work out to add muscle to my frame – not to lose weight. But my entire life I’ve had people feel that it’s ok to make really tactless comments about my body and that somehow because they’re not calling me fat that it’s fine. I have people say things like “what would you know about dieting – you’re one of those skinny bitches” and then laugh; I’ve had people comment about being amazed to watch me eat a normal meal because they assume I must have an eating disorder, etc. And now my kids also are getting complexes about their frames from friends who feel they can say anything they like about chicken legs, skinny bodies, etc. I think the way society handles “skinny” people also needs to change.

    • I absolutely agree, Heidi. I too have been referred to as “a skinny bitch,” so I definitely feel you. The focus needs to be on health, not size! – sarah

  3. I’m really enjoying the podcast! It is a great combo of light and heavy topics plus I finally feel like I get Myers Briggs better (I’m more into and biased toward the Enneagram). Kristen, have you tried Aveda’s dry shampoo? It is a powder so seems like it would be less damaging than the spray on products. It takes a little time to master but works well.

  4. Hey guys! Loving the podcast — this was the first ep I caught and you know I’ll be back. I had a comment on the working out and getting sweaty and hair washing for ya. I’m one of those girls — and my hair isn’t super thick, and I’m a hella sweaty person, so basically, every workout means my hair is soaked. I find that, although I can’t follow Sarah’s lead of keeping my curls/waves intact, I also want to say that I don’t typically wash my hair more than every 3-4 days. Sometimes, I can let the sweat dry and it actually will give my hair loads of texture (like a sea spray, sort of) — although, admittedly, that’s … not always a very enjoyable process. More often, I get in the shower and rinse it, and add a little conditioner to the ends, and then go on with my bad self.

    Also, on body positivity — I think the point you make about it needing to be more about health than about looks is so key. And that’s not only because health is the thing that’s actually important in the grand scheme of things, but also because having a deeper reason for making healthy choices means you’re going to have a MUCH easier time being successful in getting your body to a place where you feel more comfortable. When you come at it from a place of self-love — and you don’t attribute your value to a number on the scale — you actually have SO MUCH MORE POWER over making the choice to eat the good foods or hit the gym. And with that, I’ll go ahead and hop off my personal soapbox. Looking forward to listening next week!

  5. Quandary- I have been going to the gym more trying to get healthy, loose weight. I like showering the gym because I often swim plus there is childcare. My gym has products in the showers I use because they are there and thats easy. But I have also switched to all organic products and hair stufd. When I use the gym products they are clearly full of laural sulfates and silicone. It’s a silly dilemma of self care.

  6. Any suggestions for a green hairspray for creating waves? Ie-“touchable”

  7. You briefly mentioned a Lavender wash for gray hair. Any suggestions on a clean brand? My gray has an icky tone to Iran’s I think something like a lavender wash might help.

    You also talked about gray hair being more dry and brittle. So are we just supposed to looks for products that are more hydrating? My hair is almost to my waist and what works for near my scalp does not work for from my chin down. Should I just use a specific conditioner for from my chin down?

  8. After this episode, I went to my Grove account to put some Accure shampoo and conditioner in my cart – and they were sold out! You guys are creating waves!

  9. Hi! I love the podcast!!! I was also anxious to try the Accure shampoo after you guys both raved about it. First I got the smoothing version of the shampoo, but did not like it. Then I tried the clarifying (daily) version of the shampoo. Both times, after a couple washings, it made my hair feel sticky. I have straight (poker straight), but thick hair and the grey/white has started to appear. I have had this sticky-feel problem with other natural shampoos before. It seems like the harsher brands (Pantene) will make my hair silky smooth though. I think natural is the way to go, but sticky feeling hair makes me feel like it is not clean. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks!

  10. Thinking

    We are not void of feeling more that we are the strict planners and the risk assessors. Instead of worrying about feelings (which care about just don’t focus on it), we are the one’s that say hey it’s sweet that the kids are playing but if we don’t move we will miss the dentist and won’t get another for a week if we are late. At a meeting we will say the things that others can’t so it gets it in the open. Some might “think” we are unfeeling but it’s untrue we think for everyone’s care and wellbeing but in a more matter of fact. Lastly thinking types can fail in self care as we are planning and “thinking” about everyone else in our lifes that we think our needs are a bottom priority.

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